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Eircode – unloved and unused by logistics companies

So Eircode….That thing of which I written numerous times…. its been around a while now. It cost the thick end of €40m So presumably lots of people are using it? In particular, one would imagine that the very largest firms in the global supply chain coming into and out of Ireland are using it, right?  People like these…

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Well, not so much. A survey released recently by CBRE on logistics and supply chain firms reveals that 96% of firms say they have not adapted processes to use it, 93% say they have not taken any action whatsoever, and 100% (yes, 100%) in pure logistics reporting no change in business processes. So, quite literally, NOBODY in logistics (from this survey) is using it.  89% of logistics companies say they dont expect to gain any benefit in processes from Eircode, a view shared by 77% of shipping companies.  overall 83% of companies see no benefit likely.

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Ireland needed postcodes. Sensible ones that map to small areas, like in most parts of the world. Instead, we got this botch.

 

Eircode- Failure of the Year? 

It cost millions, but Eircode’s trumpeted benefits for business have not happened

Neil McDonnell, general manager of the Freight Transport Association of Ireland, whose members include the global delivery firms DHL and FedEx, says that as far as he knows, none of the association’s members is using the code. “The nature of a postcode as a random code is the significant problem. It is essentially a social security number for a property,” says McDonnell. “The code itself is a meaningless construct.”

Describing it as “worthless”, Irish Road Haulage Association’s presidentVerona Murphy says it was designed “as a system that only An Post could use” and it is “useless” for anyone else. “There was no input from those whom it’s supposed to service.”

 

nobody is using the wretched thing

We haven’t seen people using it,” says a member of the counter staff, who estimates that “about 2 per cent” of postage carried the code.

Source: Six months on, people still confounded by Eircode system

 

Its not like there hasnt been a massive and comprehensive scorching of this worthless heap of crap. But will this cabinet back down? Noo… Mere uselesness isnt a barrier to adoption it seems.

Emergency services brand Eircode ‘worse than useless’ | Irish Examiner

emergency services have dismissed the government-approved postcode system Eircode as “worse than useless”.

Yep…

Source: Emergency services brand Eircode ‘worse than useless’ | Irish Examiner

The Department of the Environment confirmed there is currently no system in place to allow fire service vehicles respond to emergencies using the new postcode system.

or

The €38m system is not being used by An Garda Síochána, the National Ambulance Service, and the country’s fire services. The navigation system for the emergency services does not support Eircode and is not likely to in the near future.

The Emergency Call Answering Service (ECAS) which handles emergency calls through the 999/112 numbers also does not support the new postcode system.

or

one senior fire officer said: “As it is, Eircode is worse than useless. We were expecting that the postcodes would be incorporated into satnav systems to make our jobs easier but it appears to be a right waste altogether.”

told you. Here and here and here and here and here

What. A. Mess.

Eircode – Strange emails and defectors?

The Eircode Pimpernel Strikes!!!

The below email was sent today to all members of the senate. We believe this email came the self proclaimed leader of the Eircode tender. Yes you read that correctly, someone involved with the delivery of the state-backed Eircode postcode has anonymously (based on legal advice), jumped ship and is urging senators not to support Eircode.

 

Read more via A strange anonymous email was sent to all Senators today in advance of the postal services bill debate…The Eircode Pimpernel Strikes!!! | Get Lost Eircodes.

The Eircode mess – a view from the USA.

So, Eircode lumbers on, another debacle in waiting, predictable and avoidable. We dont do evidence based policy making. I have written on Eircode before, here, here, here  and here.  But, im a professor of finance, so what do I know…Well, lets hear from someone who is a professional postdode person (what a wonderful world we live in that such jobs exist) and has no skin in this game. A person, from out of town, with slides, so definitionally an expert.

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Debunking the AutoAddress Debunking! | Get Lost Eircodes

In April last, Professor Brian Lucey of TCD published an independent assessment of the major issues that are associated with the planned National Postcode, to be called Eircode. Almost immediately, an attempt at debunking these issues was published by a company called AutoAddress in Dublin. Of course, those watching expected a debunking of the debunking, but none was done because none was merited…until now, let us tell you why.

via Debunking the AutoAddress Debunking! | Get Lost Eircodes.

13 things that are wrong with Eircode…

What’s wrong with Eircode?

Lots. Much of this document arises from discussions and emails with Loc8. I am not affiliated with them in any way but they have always seemed to me to be at least as good if not manifestly better than Eircode. And FREE!!! I understand that the material here plus more was provided to the Minister in December but as of now no response has been recieved. Perhaps the Minister might read this?

  1. Poor Design
  2. No Meaningful Testing
  3. Database driven
  4. Major Data Protection Security risk?
  5. Only for dwellings
  6. No Logic – Easily Confused·
  7. Requires constant updating / Delayed Updates
  8. Difficult to integrated with software / devices
  9. Limited use for emergency services & may cost lives
  10. No use for utility companies or local authority infrastructure
  11. No use for transport company infrastructure
  12. Limited use for tourism
  13. No use for temporary events

What has Loc8 Code got to offer over Eircode?

  • Designed to be simple to use and communicate
  • Lightweight algorithm driven
  • Faster and more secure
  • Self‐Service option saves money
  • For everywhere on island of Ireland.
  • Install once NEVER requires updating
  • Ideal for all emergency services/public safety on the island of Ireland
  • Ideal for utility company / local authority infrastructure
  • Ideal for tourism
  • Ideal for temporary events
  • Ideal for wildlife surveying

A shoal of Red Herrings

  • Random versus Sequential versus Nested?
  • Not accurate enough?
  • Giving a postcode to an apartment?
  • Checksum doesn’t work?
  • What if you can’t self service?

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Eircode – Failing to meet the mark?

In 2005 the Irish Government issued a report on the desirable elements of a postcode. The report is here : http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Communications/Postal/Postcodes.htm  In 2013 the Eircode system is announced. Here is how it stacks up against a free, existing, system (with whom I have no involvement)

In 2005 the Irish Government issued a report on the desirable elements of a postcode. The report is here : http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Communications/Postal/Postcodes.htm
In 2013 the Eircode system is announced. Here is how it stacks up against a free, existing, system (with whom I have no involvement)

Why the current Eircode design must be dropped

Meath CoCo are, this coming week, to debate Eircode. The following is briefing material which has been sent to them on Eircode , supplied to me by but not produced by Loc8. Although this is a competitor, it has the massive advantage of being FREE. I reproduce this ‘as is’ for comment. Any comments by myself are contained within [brackets]

Why the current Eircode design must be dropped.

• As a result of its design, key Heritage and Tourist sites such as Newgrange and the Hill of Tara cannot have an Eircode. Eircode will not therefore, be useable for many elements of the Heritage, Tourism, Sporting, Angling, Logistics, Religious, Education, Marine, Farming and Forestry sectors in Ireland.

• Eircode will not improve the known ambiguity of Irish property addressing and therefore will not improve health and safety or general public safety and related duties of care for Local Authorities ; See here

• Eircode is not supported by any major technology companies including those who produce navigation systems such as Garmin or TomTom, which will make it difficult for ordinary people and tourists to use in their daily lives.

• The postal districts to be built into Eircode will extend new Dublin 4 and Dublin 6W like postal areas (routing keys) across the whole country with associated changes to property and business values as well as the apparent rezoning of land. This will have significant implications for Local Authorities and will result in many representations to Councillors. These new areas have never been published for consideration. [ this should be interesting….but it is in fairness something that comes with most  postcode systems. What is worrying is that these areas are not public. Why? ]

• Eircode has never been tested, piloted or certified fit-for-purpose. In all other countries a new postcode is piloted in a small population centre before national roll-out. This is not planned for Eircode. Eircode has never even been presented to a focus group for evaluation. A sample CD recently sent to industry groups, contained no Eircodes in order to allow evaluation and no indication of the new Dublin 4 like postal areas (routing keys) planned for the rest of the country

• Major Industries on which the success of Eircode is dependent have expressed serious concerns about the structure of Eircode. The Freight Transport Association, whose members deliver the bulk of goods to business and houses across Ireland (DHL, FEDEX, UPS, DPD etc) have said they will not use it and Emergency Services’ representatives have said it could cost lives. [This really is a killer – these people KNOW the benefits of postcodes. That they will go without, or with an unofficial system, rather than use the proposed one, that really tells us something]

• Minister White, and Rabbitte before him, has never engaged with and effectively ignored key user/industry groups in relation to Eircode and have repeatedly stated that the total cost of Eircode will be €27 million when it is known that it will cost the economy in excess of €100m. The specific costs of for Local Authorities have never been quantified. [More mushroom treatment…]

• Eircode is not the hierarchical code that was tendered for and it has never been subjected to a cost benefit analysis. It does not comply with the requirements identified by the National Postcode Board which was established by Minister Dempsey in 2006 to set out requirements.

• Eircode is over dependent on GPS and mobile phone technology to use it and will not be useable by an average citizen just by looking at it. It is deliberately randomised which will cause confusion. It contains none of the qualities of the UK postcode which are well proven to be useful to all user groups. [ the great thing about a UK style code, and they pioneered them, is that by looking at a map one can see what the code is. This Eircode, no..]

• Those who are contracted to deliver Eircode are a UK company which has no experience in postcodes and the tender that they won has been judged to have breached an EC regulation by a 18 month long EC investigation which also determined that it did not comply with EU/Irish best practice nor Department of Finance guidelines

• Eircode is currently the subject of an ongoing Joint Oireachtas Transport and Communication Committee Hearing which has no deadline for reporting.

• Eircode is currently the subject of a Comptroller & Auditors General investigation which is due to report after Eircode is rolled out. [horse, stable door…. ] 

Eircode is bad for citizens, bad for business, bad for tourism and bad for our emergency services. The manner it was launched by Pat Rabbitte ignored the Postcode Working Group & ignored expert advice. While Rabbittes successor, Alex White, has to date ignored all valid criticism of Eircode from interested parties.

• Eircode will be an expensive fiasco just like eVoting & PPARS in the past. [ well, probably not as expensive]